On the 2020 Grammys, Finneas gained his first-ever honors — six to be precise — for his work on his child sister Billie Eilish’s debut album, When We All Fall Asleep, The place Do We Go?, making him probably the most awarded artist of the night time. Attacca Quartet additionally gained their first Grammy at that present, for greatest chamber efficiency on their album Orange, although the 2 acts didn’t know one another.
Years later, they joined forces to create the music for Apple TV+’s Disclaimer, Alfonso Cuarón’s acclaimed thriller starring Cate Blanchett, Kevin Kline, Sacha Baron Cohen and Kodi Smit-McPhee. The musicians labored so effectively collectively, they collaborated on Eilish’s newest album, Hit Me Laborious and Tender.
Collectively on the Grammy Museum — the place the Los Angeles-born Finneas and Eilish attended youth applications all through their childhood — the Oscar-winning composer and the string quartet (Amy Schroeder, Andrew Yee, Nathan Schram, Domenic Salerni) focus on working collectively on the TV collection and the way Eilish’s album was partly impressed by it.
When did you all first meet?
FINNEAS Once I was engaged on this present, the reference music Alfonso was sending me was the music that he’d been listening to whereas he was writing it. He’s an actual classical music buff, and so it was a whole lot of Bach. There was additionally some Vivaldi. I don’t have a classical background, in order that was a enjoyable expertise, and I began making an attempt to determine my approach by means of writing music for quartets.
[Composer] David Campbell was like, “There’s actually solely a few quartets on this planet which are taking part in this repertoire of classical music on the highest degree, and I’d like to make use of the Attacca Quartet,” which I used to be unfamiliar with. However Alfonso is such a classical music buff that he was like, “Oh, sure, the Attacca Quartet,” and he was very gassed on that. As soon as we have been recording them, I used to be so blown away by how a lot they reworked the music, and I’d been writing some string components for the Billie album, and I used to be like, “Oh, my God, in the event that they’ll do the Billie album, I’ll be so fortunate.”
ANDREW YEE You’re welcome.
FINNEAS Critically, what a night-and-day expertise, the MIDI variations of the strings in Disclaimer, the MIDI variations of the strings for Billie’s album, versus listening to these wonderful musical people play them, it’s actually wonderful. [MIDI is technology that enables electronic instruments and computers to communicate with one another.]
NATHAN SCHRAM Our greatest worry is just not residing as much as the MIDI, in order that’s actually good.
Attacca Quartet, what did that really feel prefer to get the decision to work on Disclaimer?
SCHRAM The humorous factor is, it was a textual content message from David Campbell, who organized a Christmas single for us the earlier yr. Truly, he doesn’t know this, however we didn’t actually wish to work with him at first. We had a pal that we needed to make use of, and the label was like, “No, you need to use this man.” We’re like, “All proper, advantageous.” After which he was like, “Hey, I like you guys. Do you wish to do that venture with Cate Blanchett, Finneas, Sacha Baron Cohen and Alfonso Cuarón?” We’ve by no means been so completely satisfied to have completed a Christmas single in our life.
From left: Attacca Quartet’s Amy Schroeder, Domenic Salerni, Andrew Yee
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What’s it like while you’re including music to a scene that’s already robust? How do you advance the scene and be delicate on the similar time?
FINNEAS There are numerous rounds, many cues the place I’d flip in one thing, a primary draft, and Alfonso would specific what he appreciated about it, what he needed extra of, and it was a back-and-forth. In that sense, it’s similar to all artistic relationships I’ve had with anyone: Billie tells me what she likes and what she needs extra of.
The scope of the present was huge, and there have been a whole lot of items of music to make, and generally I’d flip in a bit and Alfonso could be like, “Nice, we’re good there,” and I used to be like, “Are you certain? Would you like me to do it once more?” Different occasions, the primary draft of one thing I might ship in might need had one thing that he appreciated, however then his notes impressed me to do one thing else. I at all times knew that his waves and ocean could be actually loud as a result of that’s his bag, so I used to be not at nighttime about that.
SCHRAM Had been there ever any scenes that you simply felt like he would ask for music and also you felt prefer it didn’t want music, or vice versa, the place you noticed a scene that wanted music however he hadn’t requested for it?
FINNEAS I scored a pair scenes that have been form of Hail Mary like. I want I remembered particular examples, however yeah, positively generally there have been scenes the place he’d have some temp music, simply so he was modifying to one thing, and I’d depart the temp. It could be so nice silent that I’d be like, “Ooh, effectively no matter I make actually needs to be higher than silence, which is fairly good right here,” so it will be difficult often. Good query.
Cate Blanchett and Sasha Baron Cohen in Disclaimer.
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Finneas, you’ve labored on pop music and large movie songs (Barbie, No Time to Die) — what was it like composing music for TV?
FINNEAS It’s so totally different. Making an album is simply eager about how you are feeling after which writing these songs, it’s like column A; then column B is making one thing that’s part of another universe. I might categorize making the Barbie tune with Billie in that camp. I’d categorize the James Bond tune, and composing, in that camp: You learn a script or watch a scene in a film and get impressed and make one thing that may coexist.
If we had written another tune for that scene within the Barbie film, that wouldn’t have been proper. It might need had some worth as a tune, however it will have been like, “Ah, this doesn’t work right here,” so I believe that’s No. 1 when it comes to scoring one thing. I make one thing that I’m happy with, but when it doesn’t match that piece, then I pocket it and reserve it for later. It’s actually in regards to the process at hand, and the posh is that it’s actually inspiring. Each new scene is a brand new factor to encourage you and to evoke an emotion, and I actually lean on it.
Billie has talked about the way you each have been experiencing author’s block, and creating “What Was I Made For?” for Barbie modified issues for you.
FINNEAS Sure. That’s true. And likewise to the purpose of engaged on Disclaimer, it ended up being 88 items of music, divided by seven episodes, and several other cues per episode. When it comes to author’s block, you simply don’t have time; you bought to get to work and make that subsequent factor. Perhaps you don’t really feel like a genius. … I nearly by no means really feel like a genius, however you need to make one thing as a result of there’s one other scene to do. So I believe that high quality inside amount is a very vital factor.
I bear in mind listening to one thing on KCRW or NPR about this experiment, the place that they had ceramicists, potters, they usually advised half of the room to spend an hour making probably the most symmetrical pot that they might make. And so they advised the opposite 20 individuals to make as many pots as they might in an hour. And all the most symmetrical pots have been in that pile. It was all within the pile of people who have been making issues time and again, and that made me rethink the way in which that I used to be working.
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What was it like creating Billie’s newest album, for each you, Finneas, and Attacca Quartet?
FINNEAS In what we felt was a constructive sense, we needed to reinvent the wheel. After we made that first album, it did so a lot better than we ever thought a primary album may do. After which we had the pandemic proper after that, and we had all this time to sit down round and work, and we had a good time. The second album was our salvation in the course of the pandemic; we had one thing to do each day. I don’t know that we have been as essential or cautious whereas we made that album. I believe we thought we have been fairly superior. There’s stuff I’m happy with on that album, however after I hearken to it, it feels just a little unrefined.
The actual twin flame of that is that I used to be doing the TV present for the entire yr that I used to be making Billie’s album, and so I had this at the back of my thoughts, at all times engaged on the strings. I might work on Disclaimer proper earlier than Billie would come over each day, then she’d depart, and I’d work on it once more. And so I actually credit score Disclaimer for being the explanation that there’s a string overture in that album. It’s one thing we’ve got at all times cherished. The albums that we referenced whereas we have been making this album have been Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Highway — they’ve these motifs that return, and so it was one thing we’d needed to do. However I credit score the present for giving me the realized expertise of do it.
YEE For us, it was such an incredible expertise. We’re tremendous honored. We obtained to hearken to the music earlier than anyone else did within the studio, had it in our vehicles, simply taking part in to Billie’s stunning voice and the attractive music. We couldn’t imagine it within the second and we needed to do our easiest. It was humbling.
I bear in mind when the beat drops in “The Best,” I believe I ruined the take as a result of I yelled, “Fuck. It’s so good.” And I got here again, and I used to be like, “The album’s going to be referred to as The Best, proper?”
FINNEAS It was within the operating.
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